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This is a new technological platform, that you can think of it like a news aggregator, the landing page, you know, on Google News, that pulls from all of these different newspapers and says, “Here’s what’s interesting for you, based on who you are,” whatever. And I created a system called the HEARTBEAT.

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These people are called systems administrators.Īnd so, I was sitting, for the first time in my career, really, with absolute awareness, not of the little picture, but the big picture, how all the pieces fit together. And that means somebody has all the access as these directors have all of these other things.

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When they say, “I need to know what’s going on with this,” or, “Show me this program,” somebody has to get that, right? They don’t know how to get it themselves. They’re not technologists, and these are very technical systems. Think about someone who’s supposed to know all the secrets to everything. Ed Snowden talked about how he worked at the NSA’s Office of Information Sharing - an office of one: him.ĮDWARD SNOWDEN: What does the Office of Information Sharing do? Well, besides me being way better at that job than the NSA ever thought that I would be, much to their dismay, think about the director of an agency, right? Think about the head of a unit. Democracy Now!'s Juan González and I spoke to him from his home in Moscow last week, where he's lived in exile since 2013. AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now! I’m Amy Goodman, as we continue Part 2 of our conversation with NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, who has just published his memoir.














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